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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2013 - 18:28 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: daz) | | | Did you try some penetrating oil in?
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2013 - 18:53 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: mat1600) | | | No, but i wish i had. Too late now. Somehow i still don't think i'd have gotten it, especially since the tools are now bent and broken.
I just got back with the wheel. Now the true nightmare begins.....
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2013 - 20:13 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: daz) | | | I use a large pair of snap ring pliers that I bought for one of my ariel lift jobs and discovered that it also works real well on the snap ring in that rear hub.The smaller snap ring pliers just keep breaking tips,and are only for smaller snap rings.Ya need the bigger ones for this job. Dave!!!
| | Post edited by davetac1 on 19 Jun 2013 - 20:15 |
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2013 - 20:36 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: davetac1) | | | One of them WAS a big one, but now it's in the trash can.
Well, the wheel went on much easier than usual, i believe because i took my time and thought it out more than my usual impatient self. But of course the belt adjustment took abut 10-15 tries as usual. Fucking pain it the ass like always. I hope this tire does las as long as Dave said because i don't want to go thru that crap again for as long as possible.
I think the depth of the tread must be why they last, as it's deep as hell. Not sure whats typical, but it read a average of about 7.5 mm.
Side note: got my reply from dunlop today after about a week and already bought and mounted the AE. Anyways, the 2nd gen AND 1st of the AE are dual compound. So Dave, yours was too. But this one supposedly has better handling which i suppose means they used an improved side compound. Assuming of course it's true and not propaganda or exaggeration.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
| | Post edited by daz on 19 Jun 2013 - 20:48 |
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2013 - 21:59 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: daz) | | | Link
To make the setting easier. If you have the triumph alignment tool see if you can pick up a cheap set of the above item. Its what I use. Set once and ride.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2013 - 22:29 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: mat1600) | | | I can't set once and ride on mine, trust me, it won't work. I can use the exact measurements as before and things will be way off. I can use the exact right vs left side difference, still be way off. I can use the factory method of same on both sides, belt will be ruined after riding 100 yards. I can set it MORE towards moving the belt away from the right as it was before i took the wheel of and it will rub the flange. I can get it almost right then turn it a C hair more and if thats too much and i turn it back a C hair to where it should have been before, it's not. Then i have to go back 5 times as much as that ! It makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. I wish you could have a go at it just so you could see how wacked it is. You got your bike replaced because it was so screwed up so you must know what i'm talking about.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2013 - 22:49 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: daz) | | | Well yes I did. That bike shredded two belts. Can't understand why you are having the problems. I keep meaning to get my bike on my rolling road and mess with the belt tension and adjustment while the wheel is turning so I get a full picture of what does what and how it affects the belt.
The other day I changed the rear tyre, I adjusted the belt tension then set the alignment. I set the left adjuster about .010'' (.25mm) forward of the right side, went for a ride and all seems fine. Although the belt is up against the right side of the pulley it seems not to be rubbing. Well I fkin hope it isn't as I am off to Switzerland in a couple of days.
Best give it another check in the morning. 
Have you tried setting yours while the wheel is off the ground and engine running?
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2013 - 02:36 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: mat1600) | | | I too use Triumph's alignment tool,but all it does is get me in the ball park,and I still have to play with it to get it right.I find the belt needs to run to the right,leaving a small gap,approximately .005 clearance between the right edge of the belt and the outer flange on the rear cog.By doing that,the wheel spins easier and the belt runs just about dead center on the front cog.
I start by using the right adjuster to set the tension [about a half inch at the belts tightest point,COLD,and as measured in the little cut out in the lower belt guard,then the left adjuster to get it to stay in that position.Now I do this with the back wheel raised approximately an inch,so I can turn it by hand in the forward direction.The two nuts I added,one on each forward side of the X, or on the front side of the adjuster,[very similar to Mat's adjusters] is what allows me to move the wheel forward or backwards and keep it there once I get it where I want it.On hard right turns,usually on inclines,I sometimes hear a brief chirp,but it goes away once the machine straightens out and i don't usually hear it again.
But after looking closely at both edges of the belt,it is NOT fraying, wearing,showing any signs of deterioration,or have that real shiny black color on either edge,signifying that she's rubbing hard against either edge of the rear cog,so I must be doing SOMETHING RIGHT!! And the machine is now pushin 57,000 miles. Not bad for a dumb Polock!!! Dave!!!
| | Post edited by davetac1 on 20 Jun 2013 - 03:05 |
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2013 - 04:20 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
I too use Triumph's alignment tool,but all it does is get me in the ball park,and I still have to play with it to get it right.I find the belt needs to run to the right,leaving a small gap,approximately .005 clearance between the right edge of the belt and the outer flange on the rear cog.By doing that,the wheel spins easier and the belt runs just about dead center on the front cog. |
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Everything u said there, exactly. By the way Dave, the elite measured 7.5 mm average depth new. Do you recall what yours measured? This seems to be about 2 mm deeper than other tires from memory. (memory of what i've read here....till now i never measured them) I used my caliper's depth gauge.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2013 - 06:46 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: daz) | | | All the tires I've used so far on this bike measured 7/32 rear,and 6/32 front,with the exception of this Pirelli I recently put on which only measured 5/32.What I really, REALLY like about these tires is the fact that you're paying more, and getting less, for your money,not to mention the outstanding mileage. And even though the Dunlop gets almost twice the mileage the others do,12,000 miles is still NO BARGAIN.It seems the tire companies that make "Z" rated radial tires have us over a barrel. Gee! I can't understand why a lot of guys are now lookin at other machines that use something other then a "Z" rated tire. I mean,it wouldn't be bad "IF" one of these companies made a tire that would actually last.They claim "HIGH MILEAGE" in their advertisements.YA RIGHT!!!  Dave!!!
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| | | Southern_Ranger | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 368 | | Location | : | Aylesbury, Bucks, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 08 Jul 2013 - 23:33 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: mat1600) | | | OK chaps I've ordered my new tyre and rear pads (pissed off with the sintered ones making too much noise and eating the disk) . Looked at loads of tyres and eventually went with another Metz, after being incapable of convincing myself anything else was going to make a significant difference, and being happy with the handling. Mat I am planning to do the bearing and want to order a double wiper Viton seal, can you provide any further details so i can order it please? Is there a seal to replace both sides? I don't have a press but I am hoping I can tap it in, do you think that's wise or shall #i take it to a garage? I will record the exercise for all those wanting detailed info. I appreciate its a lot to keep asking you guys. I'm gonna owe you a few beers at the next peak district flocking. 
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 Jul 2013 - 01:42 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: Southern_Ranger) | | |
Southern_Ranger wrote:
OK chaps I've ordered my new tyre and rear pads (pissed off with the sintered ones making too much noise and eating the disk) . Looked at loads of tyres and eventually went with another Metz, after being incapable of convincing myself anything else was going to make a significant difference, and being happy with the handling. Mat I am planning to do the bearing and want to order a double wiper Viton seal, can you provide any further details so i can order it please? Is there a seal to replace both sides? I don't have a press but I am hoping I can tap it in, do you think that's wise or shall #i take it to a garage? I will record the exercise for all those wanting detailed info. I appreciate its a lot to keep asking you guys. I'm gonna owe you a few beers at the next peak district flocking. |
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When you say your going to 'do' the bearing, what are you going to 'do' ?
You can fit the seal yourself, just tap it in carefully.
If I don't put the sizes of the seal on here just PM me to remind me.
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| | | Southern_Ranger | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 368 | | Location | : | Aylesbury, Bucks, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 Jul 2013 - 08:15 Post title : Re: Do I lube the bearing or instead should i.... (Re: mat1600) | | | Mat I'm planning on cleaning and re-greasing the roller. Cheers
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